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PENTRU INCEPATORI SI PENTRU TOTI USERI ABUZATI VERBAL
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1)Puteti pune orice intrebare legata de php sau oricare dintre subiectele tratate pe forum.E dreptul vostru si dreptul lor sa va raspunda sau nu ,iar daca va raspund sunt obligati sa o faca civilizat.Daca tot te bagi sa ajuti un om ori o faci cu eleganta ori il lasi in pace.
2)Nu raspundeti cu aceeasi moneda celor ce va jignesc sau o fac pe geniile .Vorbiti-le civilizat cu siguranta i va durea mult mai tare.Nu uitati inteligenta nu se reflecta prin cuvinte ca:-Vezi manualul(e ca si cum cineva m-ar intreba mai ce e transformarea izocora si eu i-as spune uitate in manualul de fizica .e logic ca e vorba de fizica ca doar nu gasesti domeniu in literatura.un raspuns inteligent ar fi :cauta in manualu de fizica termodinamica,dar e f greu sa fi cu adevarat inteligent ,mai usor e s-o mimezi)
-jigniri de tot felul
3).Nu cereti scripturi moca ,pentru ca orice script inseamna o munca depusa ,un timp pierdut de cel care il face.Acest lucru e pentru binele vostru ca va ajuta sa ganditi.Incercati sa gasiti singuri raspunsuri ,sau cereti o idee.
4)Multumiti celor ce v-au ajutat ,chiar si celor care v-au injurat ,uneori unele raspunsuri se afla in stourile inteligente facute de catre unii.
5)Nu fiti dezamagiti daca nu ati primit raspunsul cerut ,poa esti obosit si nu intelegi azi,maine cu siguranta vei intelege.Odata tin mine ca am stat vre-o doua ceasuri si pana la urma mi-am raspuns singur.era vorba de export txt in baza de date.desi eram frant de obosela ,mi-am facut o cafea si am inceput sa ma gandesc la ce a vrut sa spuna si boom mi-a cazut fisa.
6.NU incurajati hackeritul ,e daunator si e o infractiune .Ganditi putin ca in acel program e o munca de om,chiar intr-un programel mic sa zicem de facut ftp intre 2 servere.Eu dintotdeauna am avut linuxul pe calculator instalat.Am inceput cu red hat si in prezent am fedora.de ce ?pentru ca red hat e pe bani. acum.nici un update nu mai e free.fedora e distributia free a lui red hat.
7)Unul din seniori acestui forum a postat "Eu zic ca aplic o metoda 'combinata', adica invat 'la rand' chestiile generale (adica nu m-am apucat de programare fara sa stiu algoritmica, nu m-am apucat de programare vizuala fara sa stiu POO - cu exceptia exemplului nefericit cu Delphi, care a fost si ultimul btw), insa odata ce m-am apucat de un limbaj, am invatat pe parcurs, pe masura ce m-am lovit de o problema sau alta. ".Cred ca pentru aceste cuvinte nu exista comentarii.E raspunsul la intrebarea pe care si-au pus-o multi:Ce trebuie sa fac sa ajung un PROGRAMATOR.
Nu incurajati violenta ,chiar daca celor mai multi de pe acest forum le place violenta fiind incurajati tacit si de catre moderatori.Protestati civilizat impotriva oricarei forme de agresiune postand dupa postul celor ce v-au jignit sub diverse forme "FARA VIOLENTA".
9)Militati pentru un forum fara jigniri ,remarce rautacioase ,amenintari .Ganditi-va care este scopul acestui forum.Faceti front comun impotriva celor ce va umilesc si jignesc.[/u][/b]
10)KILL YOURS IDOLS(figurativ) din orice domeniu .Aceasta a fost inscriptia de pe tricoul purtat de AXL ROSE ,vocalistul formatiei GUNS'N ROSES .Comentariile sunt de prisos

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DA ASA AM SUSTINUT SI EU CAND FACEAM MISTO DE CARTI INVATATII C++ IN 21 ZILE.FITI ATENTI CU TOTI LA ACEST ARTICOL PUS LA DISPOZITIE DE HUNT_H_ER
.PE ACEASTA CALE TIN SA-I MULTUMESC PENTRU ACEST INDEMN CARE AR TREBUI SA FIE LAITMOTIVUL CELOR CARE VOR SA DEVINA ADEVARATI PROGRAMATORI:"Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years
Peter Norvig

Why is everyone in such a rush?
Walk into any bookstore, and you'll see how to Teach Yourself Java in 7 Days alongside endless variations offering to teach Visual Basic, Windows, the Internet, and so on in a few days or hours. I did the following power search at Amazon.com:

pubdate: after 1992 and title: days and
(title: learn or title: teach yourself)

and got back 248 hits. The first 78 were computer books (number 79 was Learn Bengali in 30 days). I replaced "days" with "hours" and got remarkably similar results: 253 more books, with 77 computer books followed by Teach Yourself Grammar and Style in 24 Hours at number 78. Out of the top 200 total, 96% were computer books.

The conclusion is that either people are in a big rush to learn about computers, or that computers are somehow fabulously easier to learn than anything else. There are no books on how to learn Beethoven, or Quantum Physics, or even Dog Grooming in a few days.

Let's analyze what a title like Learn Pascal in Three Days could mean:

* Learn: In 3 days you won't have time to write several significant programs, and learn from your successes and failures with them. You won't have time to work with an experienced programmer and understand what it is like to live in that environment. In short, you won't have time to learn much. So they can only be talking about a superficial familiarity, not a deep understanding. As Alexander Pope said, a little learning is a dangerous thing.

* Pascal: In 3 days you might be able to learn the syntax of Pascal (if you already knew a similar language), but you couldn't learn much about how to use the syntax. In short, if you were, say, a Basic programmer, you could learn to write programs in the style of Basic using Pascal syntax, but you couldn't learn what Pascal is actually good (and bad) for. So what's the point? Alan Perlis once said: "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing". One possible point is that you have to learn a tiny bit of Pascal (or more likely, something like Visual Basic or JavaScript) because you need to interface with an existing tool to accomplish a specific task. But then you're not learning how to program; you're learning to accomplish that task.

* in Three Days: Unfortunately, this is not enough, as the next section shows.

Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years
Researchers (Bloom (1985), Bryan & Harter (1899), Hayes (1989), Simmon & Chase (1973)) have shown it takes about ten years to develop expertise in any of a wide variety of areas, including chess playing, music composition, telegraph operation, painting, piano playing, swimming, tennis, and research in neuropsychology and topology. There appear to be no real shortcuts: even Mozart, who was a musical prodigy at age 4, took 13 more years before he began to produce world-class music. In another genre, the Beatles seemed to burst onto the scene with a string of #1 hits and an appearance on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964. But they had been playing small clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg since 1957, and while they had mass appeal early on, their first great critical success, Sgt. Peppers, was released in 1967. Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) thought it took longer than ten years: "Excellence in any department can be attained only by the labor of a lifetime; it is not to be purchased at a lesser price." And Chaucer (1340-1400) complained "the lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne." Hippocrates (c. 400BC) is known for the excerpt "ars longa, vita brevis", which is part of the longer quotation "Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum, iudicium difficile", which in English renders as "Life is short, [the] craft long, opportunity fleeting, experiment treacherous, judgment difficult." Although in Latin, ars can mean either art or craft, in the original Greek the word "techne" can only mean "skill", not "art".

Here's my recipe for programming success:

* Get interested in programming, and do some because it is fun. Make sure that it keeps being enough fun so that you will be willing to put in ten years.

* Talk to other programmers; read other programs. This is more important than any book or training course.

* Program. The best kind of learning is learning by doing. To put it more technically, "the maximal level of performance for individuals in a given domain is not attained automatically as a function of extended experience, but the level of performance can be increased even by highly experienced individuals as a result of deliberate efforts to improve." (p. 366) and "the most effective learning requires a well-defined task with an appropriate difficulty level for the particular individual, informative feedback, and opportunities for repetition and corrections of errors." (p. 20-21) The book Cognition in Practice: Mind, Mathematics, and Culture in Everyday Life is an interesting reference for this viewpoint.

* If you want, put in four years at a college (or more at a graduate school). This will give you access to some jobs that require credentials, and it will give you a deeper understanding of the field, but if you don't enjoy school, you can (with some dedication) get similar experience on the job. In any case, book learning alone won't be enough. "Computer science education cannot make anybody an expert programmer any more than studying brushes and pigment can make somebody an expert painter" says Eric Raymond, author of The New Hacker's Dictionary. One of the best programmers I ever hired had only a High School degree; he's produced a lot of great software, has his own news group, and made enough in stock options to buy his own nightclub.
* Work on projects with other programmers. Be the best programmer on some projects; be the worst on some others. When you're the best, you get to test your abilities to lead a project, and to inspire others with your vision. When you're the worst, you learn what the masters do, and you learn what they don't like to do (because they make you do it for them).

* Work on projects after other programmers. Be involved in understanding a program written by someone else. See what it takes to understand and fix it when the original programmers are not around. Think about how to design your programs to make it easier for those who will maintain it after you.

* Learn at least a half dozen programming languages. Include one language that supports class abstractions (like Java or C++), one that supports functional abstraction (like Lisp or ML), one that supports syntactic abstraction (like Lisp), one that supports declarative specifications (like Prolog or C++ templates), one that supports coroutines (like Icon or Scheme), and one that supports parallelism (like Sisal).

* Remember that there is a "computer" in "computer science". Know how long it takes your computer to execute an instruction, fetch a word from memory (with and without a cache miss), read consecutive words from disk, and seek to a new location on disk. (Answers here.)

* Get involved in a language standardization effort. It could be the ANSI C++ committee, or it could be deciding if your local coding style will have 2 or 4 space indentation levels. Either way, you learn about what other people like in a language, how deeply they feel so, and perhaps even a little about why they feel so.

* Have the good sense to get off the language standardization effort as quickly as possible.

With all that in mind, its questionable how far you can get just by book learning. Before my first child was born, I read all the How To books, and still felt like a clueless novice. 30 Months later, when my second child was due, did I go back to the books for a refresher? No. Instead, I relied on my personal experience, which turned out to be far more useful and reassuring to me than the thousands of pages written by experts.

Fred Brooks, in his essay No Silver Bullets identified a three-part plan for finding great software designers:

1. Systematically identify top designers as early as possible.

2. Assign a career mentor to be responsible for the development of the prospect and carefully keep a career file.

3. Provide opportunities for growing designers to interact and stimulate each other.

This assumes that some people already have the qualities necessary for being a great designer; the job is to properly coax them along. Alan Perlis put it more succinctly: "Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be taught how not to. So it is with the great programmers".

So go ahead and buy that Java book; you'll probably get some use out of it. But you won't change your life, or your real overall expertise as a programmer in 24 hours, days, or even months."

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Patetic, demn de mila.

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[mandriva2007]

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[mandriva2007]

Piry am spus de postul anterior nu de toate posturile tale.Dar rautatea ti-a intunecat logica Si am mai postat ajutand pe altii chiar in privat speriati de pesti rapitori ca tine .Si nu cred ca esti tu in masura sa-ti dai cu parerea cum sau nu am invatat eu din moment ce tu nu ai nici o facultate.Si cu banul il astept piry.Eliberati-ma.Iar cu hackingu ai dreptate , m-am exprimat gresit, dar si el este ilegal pe jumate,pentru ca exista hackeri angajati sa descopere vulnerabilitati din sistem si hackeri care fac rau,distrug fisiere ,sparg conturi etc.Scuze inca odata pentru neatentie.Dar ti-am spus sunt un om de principiu piry.Succes in domeniul tau piry oricare ar fi acela.Ca nu ma respecti tu asta e .Sentimentul e reciproc cu mentiunea ca find un om de principiu inca imi mentin parea buna despre tine in acest domeniu.

BANUL CARE ELIBEREAZA .LET ME FREE.

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Scuza-ma daca nu am fost clar ,dar am postat"De exemplu pentru mine tot ce ai postat tu inainte mi se par niste cacaturi", ma refeream la postul anterior nu la toate posturile lui piry .imi pare rau ca s-a inteles asa.ok.in ce priveste comparatia forum restaurant desi par asemanatoare exista totusi o mare diferenta :la restaurant nu te invata nimeni nimic ,aici pe acest forum scopul este tocmai de a ajuta implicit de a invata pe cineva,nu de a-l lua la bascalie si mistouri ieftine.sunt aici pentru cei multi care va fac voua trafic fara de care acest forum ar valora 0 lei.ma bucur totusi sa observ ca limbajul s-a mai imbunatatit cu privire la raspunsurile date incepatorilor.

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Voi dati viata acestui forum.
Incetu cu incetu lucrurile or sa se schimbe si aici.
Ma lupt tocmai ca sa fac prezenta dumneavoastra pe acest forum cat mai placuta,ma lupt pentru drepturile voastre cu un sistem de valori imoral ,obscur impus de catre unii din seniori cu acordul tacit al moderatorilor.
Ei vor ca eu sa plec de bunavoie de pe acest forum lasandu-va prada jignirilor si paradei de inteligenta ieftina de fatada.
In continuare sustin sa nu raspundeti provocarilor lor violente prin violenta.
Pentru cei ce vor plecarea mea de pe acest forum,eu voi ramane aici si voi lupta impotriva celor ce se manifesta violent si arogant fata de multi de pe acest forum atata timp cat voi fi lasat.
Am cerut banarea mea din motivul aca banarea mea ar aduce nonviolenta pe acest forum si nonaroganta atunci sa mi-o dea .
Militati pentru un forum cu adevarat european si dedicat unui limbaj de programare nu pentru un forum de piata .

Forumisti desi aceste cuvinte ar trebui sa vi le spuna moderatori si adminul care "iubesc acest forum" vi le spun eu:Va multumesc pentru prezenta dumneavoastra pe acest forum si va promit ca voi lupta pana cand vor disparea toate anomaliile din acest sistem.Va rugam sa mai reveniti pe acest forum.Multumiri si celor ce nu s-au inregistrat inca si doar ne-au vizitat,sper ca intr-o buna zi va veti inregistra

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